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I cross shopped the Golf -R but it's $3k more list price and they're selling at $1-5k over list. Given that I got my FS used, the difference would have been nearly $12k for a smaller, less powerful car (albeit I love the DCCT).
 

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4200 lbs is pretty chunky. Just like the FS though. I'm going to do my due diligence on these cars, and if any other competitors spring up as well. I did consider the Golf R, but I don't love the boxy look.
Is this 4200 lbs as quoted curb weight, or fully loaded? The FS is only 3600 or so quoted curb, so if the stinger is the same, then you could add another 400 or so for options. That's an F150!
 

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Is this 4200 lbs as quoted curb weight, or fully loaded? The FS is only 3600 or so quoted curb, so if the stinger is the same, then you could add another 400 or so for options. That's an F150!
I don't have the Car and Driver review on hand, but if I recall correctly, the Fusion Sport they tested, which was probably heavily optioned weighed in at about 4100 lbs
 

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I don't have the Car and Driver review on hand, but if I recall correctly, the Fusion Sport they tested, which was probably heavily optioned weighed in at about 4100 lbs
Yes, that's close.I think someone on here put the sport on a scale and it came in a little over 4,000lbs.
 

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As you can tell by my signature, I am a longtime Ford owner. Every manufacturer builds a lemon now and then (I have heard of Honda Accord lemons) so you have to look at companies, like J.D. Power, that measure reliability for a more objective assessment. In June of last year here was the news from CNBC (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/22/kia-just-accomplished-something-no-automaker-has-done-in-27-years.html):

"After years of being known for its nice, low-priced cars that rarely stood out on American roads, Kia has taken a huge step in changing that perception. The automaker on Wednesday was rated the No. 1 brand in J.D. Power's annual survey of new model reliability, making it the first nonluxury brand to top the list since 1989."

Granted this report was initial reliability ratings (first 90 days of ownership). Kia is still behind on reliability of 3 year old vehicles.

Reliability is more than just assembly as it includes engineering and quality of parts. But regarding reliability, is a Mexican built FS better than a Korean built Stinger?
 

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That's quite an impressive collection of vehicles you have there.
 

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Is this 4200 lbs as quoted curb weight, or fully loaded? The FS is only 3600 or so quoted curb, so if the stinger is the same, then you could add another 400 or so for options. That's an F150!
I believe that was for the loaded GT with larger wheels/tires, 3.3T, AWD, etc. ~3800lbs is being reported for lower trim levels w/o AWD.

C&D quoted 4128lbs for the weight of the FuSpo they tested.

As far as reliability goes here is how two "go to" organizations have them ranked/rated:

JD Power - Dependability 2016
  • Kia has 153 "problems" per 100 vehicles (one below the industry average of 152)
  • Ford had 204 "problems" per 100 vehicles.
CR - Brands Ranked by Overall Reliability 2017
1. Lexus
2. Toyota
3. Buick
4. Audi
5. Kia

18. Ford
 

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Didn't Ford's ratings take a hit when the new my ford touch system came out? I know there has been a lot of debate if those types of systems should be included in reliability reports. Hoping that with the new Sync system fords ratings will get back into the top 10.

Ford plummets in Consumer Reports reliability survey
I believe Ford was ranked 10th in 2010. Then the reliability of the new Focus, Fiesta and Explorer dropped it 10 spots to 20th. In 2012 they dropped to last place. That drop was mostly had to due to Ford's new dual-clutch transmission, MyFord Touch (as you pointed out) and some issues with the first gen EcoBoost V6 engines. They have been creeping back up (but still closer to the bottom than the top) ever since.
 

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I just read that Stinger V6 GT will top out at 3968 lbs


Here's the quote . . .


"As a car with a ton of power, luxury appointments, and technology, there were some concerns about how much the car would weigh. Kia tried to ensure it didn’t have performance-killing extra pounds.
“As a four-cylinder, it’s 1,640 kg,” said Beirmann said. That’s 3,615 lbs, which is on par with the rest of the sport sedan class. “The six-cylinder, all-wheel drive model tops out at 1,800 kg (3,968 lb).” That might sound like a lot but isn’t too bad, considering the Infiniti Q50 Red Sport weighs around 4,054 lb."
 

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I just read that Stinger V6 GT will top out at 3968 lbs


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"As a car with a ton of power, luxury appointments, and technology, there were some concerns about how much the car would weigh. Kia tried to ensure it didn’t have performance-killing extra pounds.
“As a four-cylinder, it’s 1,640 kg,” said Beirmann said. That’s 3,615 lbs, which is on par with the rest of the sport sedan class. “The six-cylinder, all-wheel drive model tops out at 1,800 kg (3,968 lb).” That might sound like a lot but isn’t too bad, considering the Infiniti Q50 Red Sport weighs around 4,054 lb."
That's not bad with the awd and weighs less than the SHO.
 

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Do it if it makes you happy! I have a feeling there will be too much of a price difference between the FS fully loaded, and the Stinger GT fully loaded. Right now estimates are about $45-$50K loaded. I may be able to swing it if it's $45K, but if it's more than that, it will probably be the FS, but only if they make some improvements and have fixed the gremlins that have haunted some of the fine people on this forum. I may be driving this Stang forever!
 

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Do it if it makes you happy! I have a feeling there will be too much of a price difference between the FS fully loaded, and the Stinger GT fully loaded. Right now estimates are about $45-$50K loaded. I may be able to swing it if it's $45K, but if it's more than that, it will probably be the FS, but only if they make some improvements and have fixed the gremlins that have haunted some of the fine people on this forum. I may be driving this Stang forever!
We'll see how I feel once I go for a test drive, but Im really looking for a magnetic gray one. Not to mention I still need to demod the stang. Yes Im dragging my feet, lol.
 

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Some more info I came across...

In 2011, at the Frankfurt Motor Show, Kia unveiled the GT Concept, a rakishly delicious example of world-class design.

Now, at the 2017 North American International Auto Show in Detroit, Kia introduces the production version of that concept car, the 2018 Stinger, an equally rakish and delicious example of world-class design – and engineering.

"Unlike any Kia that has come before it, the Stinger really is a dream car for us, and…that dream is now a reality after years of commitment and hard work from a passionate group of designers, engineers and executives around the world," said Orth Hedrick, vice president, product planning, Kia Motors America.

The Stinger is a gran turismo, defined by Kia defines as an automobile that is fast, nimble, luxurious, and quiet for five people and their luggage during spirited, long-distance drives.

Gregory Guillaume, chief designer, Kia Motors Europe, underscored the 2018 Kia Stinger and its mission when he said: "The Stinger has nothing to do with being the first to arrive at the destination – this car is all about the journey. It's about passion."

If you're finding yourself suddenly desirous of a Kia, you're probably not alone. It goes on sale late in 2017, so you've got plenty of time to get worked up over the possibility of buying one. Pricing is not yet available, but expect it to start in the low $40,000 range.

Exterior Features:
Boasting a fastback roofline and rear-drive proportions, the Stinger's long wheelbase, wide track, short front overhang, long rear overhang, bold haunches, and recessed door contours get your blood pumping with no more than a glance.

Kia says the design lends the Stinger "an air of elegance and athleticism, rather than boy-racer aggression." I'd have to agree.

Complex LED headlights flank Kia's signature tiger-nose grille, which features a chrome-studded design similar to a Mercedes-Benz. Bold but not overpowering, the fascia intakes, hood slots, and fender vents convey just the right amount of sporting intent.

Viewed in profile, the greenhouse tapers up into the roof, a Kia design signature. Character lines emphasize the Stinger's length, large wheels fill their wells, and stylists deftly intersect the rear door corners with the shut line for the rear hatch.

In back, a strip of side marker lighting wraps around each corner into trapezoidal LED taillights. The bumper includes a black diffuser punctuated by four exhaust outlets.

Overall, Kia absolutely nailed the Stinger's design. If not for the KIA badges, anyone viewing this vehicle would automatically assume it to be a luxury car costing at least $50,000.

Interior Features:
Thanks to a wheelbase that is longer than the Audi A4, 4 Series Gran Coupe, Lexus GS, and Mercedes-Benz CLS, combined with overall length and width measurements that exceed other gran turismo models in the Stonger's segment, this new Kia is claimed to provide greater passenger and cargo space than its competition.

Kia asserts that the Stinger will deliver "industry-leading" quality as well as generous front and rear legroom for up to five people. Interior highlights include deeply bolstered front seats, a thick leather-wrapped steering wheel, a mix of analog and digital instrumentation with large gauges ringed in metal, and air vents with a spoked circular design. A band of satin chrome encircles the cabin, and premium Nappa leather is available as an option.

Under the Hood:
Albert Biermann joined Kia from BMW in 2014, and he led the 2018 Stinger's ride and handling development in Korea and on Germany's demanding Nurburgring racetrack.

Built on a chassis boasting 55% high-strength steel construction, the Stinger's rear-drive configuration and generation wheelbase allow Kia to mount the car's engine as far to the rear of the roomy engine bay as is possible in order to best balance and distribute the weight.

A turbocharged 2.0-liter 4-cylinder engine is standard, producing an estimated 255 horsepower at 6,200 rpm and 260 lb.-ft. of torque from 1,400 rpm to 4,000 rpm.

As an option, Stinger buyers can select a twin-turbocharged 3.3-liter V6 with an estimated 365 hp at 6,000 rpm and 376 lb.-ft. of torque from 1,300 rpm to 4,500 rpm. With this engine, Kia is targeting acceleration to 60 mph in about five seconds, and a top speed of 167 mph.

An 8-speed automatic transmission is the only one available, driving the rear wheels through a mechanical limited-slip differential. Paddle shifters provide the driver with manual control over gear changes, and a new Centrifugal Pendulum Absorber torque converter is designed to reduce torsional vibration in the drivetrain.

All-wheel drive is an option for the 2018 Stinger. Under normal driving conditions, and similar to Audi's Quattro system, power is mainly distributed to the car's rear wheels, and when necessary is reapportioned with more flowing to the car's front wheels. The Stinger's AWD system also equips the car with dynamic torque vectoring.

Powertrain calibration, steering effort and response, and suspension tuning can be adjusted using the Stinger's selectable driving modes. They include Personal, Eco, Sport, Comfort, and Smart settings.

Kia equips the Stinger with a dynamic damping MacPherson strut front and multi-link rear suspension design. Using the configurable driving modes, if the driver wants the Stinger to deliver maximum agility in corners, he or she can set the suspension up so that the front shocks are softer and the rear shocks are firmer. The reverse is true when a driver wants maximum stability on the highway, according to Kia.

A rack-mounted, variable-ratio electric steering system allows the Stinger to provide "razor-sharp feedback," according to Kia. Quick response and reduced vibration are also traits associated with rack-mounted vs. column-mounted electric steering systems.

Safety:
Every existing driver assistance and collision avoidance technology within Kia's arsenal will be offered for the new Stinger. That includes a new Driver Attention Alert system that is designed to detect a drowsy or fatigued driver and recommend a stop for rest.

Additional highlights include adaptive cruise control with full-stop capability, a forward collision warning system with pedestrian detection and automatic emergency braking, a lane departure warning system with lane keeping assist, and a blind spot warning system with rear cross-traffic alert.

Technology:
Kia does not discuss specifics related to the Stinger's infotainment system, other than to claim the car comes with the "latest" in Kia Your Voice (UVO) technology and has a "large color touchscreen."

I assume this reference to size relates to whatever the upgrade might be over the standard UVO system, which includes a 7-inch screen and six stereo speakers. Upgrade to the twin-turbocharged V6 engine, and this setup adds three more speakers and an amplifier. The top version of UVO is paired with a 15-speaker, 720-watt Harmon Kardon premium Quantum Logic surround sound system with Clari-Fi music restoration technology.

Additionally, the Stinger is equipped with a wireless smartphone charging pad. A height-adjustable color heads-up display is also available for the car, and the driver information display nestled between the gauges tracks cornering g-forces and lap times, along with navigation directions, trip computer details, driver programmable settings, and more.

Text Source: JD Power
 

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I'm starting to lighten up my expectations for the Stinger GT. I think it's going to be out of my price range with the way I'd want it equipped. Seems like a fantastic car though. I'm getting little hints that fully loaded it's going to be $50K, which is too high for me.
 

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I'm starting to lighten up my expectations for the Stinger GT. I think it's going to be out of my price range with the way I'd want it equipped. Seems like a fantastic car though. I'm getting little hints that fully loaded it's going to be $50K, which is too high for me.
As more information becomes available I am starting to think the same thing unfortunately. :(
 

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I'm starting to lighten up my expectations for the Stinger GT. I think it's going to be out of my price range with the way I'd want it equipped. Seems like a fantastic car though. I'm getting little hints that fully loaded it's going to be $50K, which is too high for me.
I read yesterday that a fully loaded one will be 50k and for me 50K opens the door for several other cars inn that price range. Im also in the same boat, 50K is too much but I bet used ones will sell in low 30s.
 
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