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I was messing around on the computer yesterday and did a couple of Google searches: "AWD Sedans"; "AWD Twin Turbo Sedans" and got a list of cars to look at. I am amazed at what the car makers are offering today. I could not find a car in the bunch that could match our "stock" offerings at decent price point (New). Most were 4 bangers and a couple of 6 cyl. If you want get even close to our stock horsepower, be ready to spend close to 70k+ and the pickings were slim. It is a sad state of affairs. I will definitely be taking good care of my FFS and holding on to it for a very long time.
 

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Yeah the whole EV push from the government is really gonna screw things up, wont be long and a real sports car will be no more. Two door four door, wont matter. Ford is putting it's faith in everyone wanting SUV's and trucks, that thinking is gonna biter them in the azz sooner or later. I just read the other day they had a 17 billion dollar lost for 22, makes you wonder how many bought a car from someone else that still offers them. At the rate I'm going with mine, it should be around for atleast another 5 to 10 years before I'm ready for something new, but that only means I might buy a truck, and keep it for a fun ride. I'd like to get a F 150, but with prices being stupid, I'm gonna have to wait.
 

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I'm with both you guys 100%. Hanging onto this FFS as long as I possibly can. Prices are just ridiculous now, between the rampant inflation and the electric cars getting jammed down everyone's throats. So I'll just stick with mine and take good care of it, and I'm very glad I got one when I did, before everything went crazy. They're great cars and I can't imagine anything even twice the price I paid coming close, at all. Even at 3 times the price I paid, I still have a hard time finding anything I'd rather own than my FFS.
 

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Same here as all of you. I bought my 2019 brand new just over three years ago and only paid $31K sans taxes. Keep in mind that the 2019s came fully loaded, the MSRP was $41,010.00.
 

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Yeah the whole EV push from the government is really gonna screw things up, wont be long and a real sports car will be no more. Two door four door, wont matter. Ford is putting it's faith in everyone wanting SUV's and trucks, that thinking is gonna biter them in the azz sooner or later. I just read the other day they had a 17 billion dollar lost for 22, makes you wonder how many bought a car from someone else that still offers them. At the rate I'm going with mine, it should be around for atleast another 5 to 10 years before I'm ready for something new, but that only means I might buy a truck, and keep it for a fun ride. I'd like to get a F 150, but with prices being stupid, I'm gonna have to wait.
Blame EVs all you want, but the reality of the situation is that cars have generally never been more expensive than they are now with massive inflation reducing buying power for normal consumers. Add that to the fact that sedans are not popular anymore and it makes sense that the only sports sedans we see anymore are in the luxury category.

The other issue I think is one I can see better from my vantage point as a 20-year-old. My generation is simply not interested in cars. Sure, there are outliers like myself, but the vast majority of my generation sees cars as appliances. Of the ones who are interested in a newer fast car, they can barely afford it with college, $1200 rents, and all the aforementioned pressures I mentioned. It's only because of my unique circumstances that I am able to own one of these cars myself.

No one is buying sports sedans, we know this because no one can really make money on them. Ford couldn't make our cars work, Kia couldn't even make the Stinger work, and the Germans are barely holding on themselves (likely only driven by the social badge snobbery that allows them to inflate their prices.) The reality is that the only thing that makes cars like ours profitable is scale, and if you can't move huge amounts of inventory you can't scale.

As far as sedans in general go, its become an all out blood bath between the Asian automakers. The margins are slim and the investments in continued development and manufacturing are horrendously expensive. Ford has no wish to spend a few billion retooling their factories and developing new sedans when they will just be crushed by the Asian automakers anyways. Better to use that factory space on developing CUVs and trucks, which is the only place they can make money anymore.

It is a really sad reality, but we are witnessing the death of car culture right now. I have serious doubts as to whether I will even be able to teach my kids how to drive, and certainly my grandkids will likely never drive.
 

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Also worth considering is that if you really want a fast AWD sedan nowadays at a reasonable price, EVs are becoming more competitive. Considering the lifetime savings of an EV without gas and maintenance, plus the new federal incentives, you can get a Tesla Model 3 for 45k that'll do 0-60 in 4.2 seconds and has 358 miles of range. For the vast majority of people, 358 miles is more than enough range, and if you don't really care about the sound or feel of an ICE engine that's pretty much the final nail in the coffin.

I think that you'll be hard pressed to find a new AWD sedan that does less than 4.2 seconds to 60 for 45k, and also costs almost nothing to drive.
 

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Also worth considering is that if you really want a fast AWD sedan nowadays at a reasonable price, EVs are becoming more competitive. Considering the lifetime savings of an EV without gas and maintenance, plus the new federal incentives, you can get a Tesla Model 3 for 45k that'll do 0-60 in 4.2 seconds and has 358 miles of range. For the vast majority of people, 358 miles is more than enough range, and if you don't really care about the sound or feel of an ICE engine that's pretty much the final nail in the coffin.

I think that you'll be hard pressed to find a new AWD sedan that does less than 4.2 seconds to 60 for 45k, and also costs almost nothing to drive.
I'd like to add, even when sport sedans do get made, they're usually in FWD. Look at the recent Hyundai N series, they're all FWD, even when lower trims of the same car have AWD. I assume this is because they don't want to scare away people with a higher price tag, but I know people ask for it
 

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I'd like to add, even when sport sedans do get made, they're usually in FWD. Look at the recent Hyundai N series, they're all FWD, even when lower trims of the same car have AWD. I assume this is because they don't want to scare away people with a higher price tag, but I know people ask for it
You're exactly right. I have not the foggiest idea why Hyundai didn't put AWD in the Elantra N, considering the amount of power that car has it is going to be essentially worthless in the rain or snow or even when the tires are cold. Even with warm summer tires every reviewer I saw was spinning the wheels from a stop.

I do think I have a suspicion why they didn't tho. Either they plan to and it simply hasn't come yet, or more likely, they didn't want to bite into the Kia Stinger sales. Because honestly, while they are different cars most people would take the Elantra N any day over the Stinger, myself included.
 

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You're exactly right. I have not the foggiest idea why Hyundai didn't put AWD in the Elantra N, considering the amount of power that car has it is going to be essentially worthless in the rain or snow or even when the tires are cold. Even with warm summer tires every reviewer I saw was spinning the wheels from a stop.

I do think I have a suspicion why they didn't tho. Either they plan to and it simply hasn't come yet, or more likely, they didn't want to bite into the Kia Stinger sales. Because honestly, while they are different cars most people would take the Elantra N any day over the Stinger, myself included.
I would take the Sonata N Line, as I like bigger sedans, like our current cars. I was especially suprised when the K5 didn't have an AWD model at top, because it's basically the same as the Sonata N Line the way it is right now. I think you may be right about the stinger, I think it's a pretty cool car for being a Kia, but considering they obviously don't have a problem with the K5 and the Sonata competing at the exact same level, is there really that big a difference between that and adding AWD to the N series?
 

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I'm in the same boat - bought new in 2016 and currently nearing 60k miles, keeping an eye on new car lineups. I want something at least as fun and comfortable as the FFS but I hit $70k easily. I just turn back to the fusion and look for the next thing to improve to keep it feeling new.

Most recent was an Android Auto Wireless dongle. Debating a larger aftermarket audio upgrade...otherwise happy with it as a vehicle.

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I bought my 2017 FFS new in late 2016. I’m currently at about 74K miles and will probably be replacing it with something else this fall.
Top of my list is the Genesis G70.
Twin Turbo V6 365HP fully loaded AWD Prestige for about 57K.
Also considered the Audi S5 sportback, but optioned the way I would want it would be about 74K so that’s not happening.

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I bought my 2017 FFS new in late 2016. I’m currently at about 74K miles and will probably be replacing it with something else this fall.
Top of my list is the Genesis G70.
Twin Turbo V6 365HP fully loaded AWD Prestige for about 57K.
Also considered the Audi S5 sportback, but optioned the way I would want it would be about 74K so that’s not happening.

Shawn S
I agree the Genesis G70 is pretty nice, but there are not many Stand Alone Genesis Dealerships around most are in Hyundai dealerships so you may not get the service that you paid the premium for when you spent 57K. They do have pretty good reviews they also seem to be a car that loses value faster than just about any car out there. I do like the look and the performance. The Audi S models are kind of expensive. The S3 usually goes from 53 to 58K small car but looks good to me. The compartment between the front seats can maybe hold a deck of cards and the volume control is not to my liking some kind of dial. Good luck in your search.
 

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I heard there was (maybe still is but not sure) some kind of problem with the Hyundai / Kia cars where they were really easy to steal. I have no idea how true that is, or if it ever got fixed, though.
 

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I heard there was (maybe still is but not sure) some kind of problem with the Hyundai / Kia cars where they were really easy to steal. I have no idea how true that is, or if it ever got fixed, though.
This is true although I haven't looked to see exactly why it's happening. I do know that State Farm is refusing to insure certain high theft models in certain high theft areas.
 

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From what I read it has to do with the ignition not locking or the colum, story was kinda vieg.
 
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From what I read it has to do with the ignition not locking or the colum, story was kinda vieg.
It’s mainly the older models, but some as new as 2021. But it’s only the low end models with KEY instead of push button ignitions.
 
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