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Tune Comparison Unleashed vs Tuning by James

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I just wanted to share my experience in difference of the tunes I got for my 2017 fusion sport. My car is bone stock, no changes other than the tune.

For anyone like me who knows nothing about cars, is not computer savvy, and just drives the car around town (not drag racing)- I still highly recommend tuning this car. The difference is night and day on a 93 tune, it is so much more fun to drive.

I got a 93 tune and an e30 tune from Unleashed with the sct X4 tuner. If I can do it anyone can. The e30 defintely pulls harder, especially above 50mph, but it's not the jump that stock to 93 is. It is noticeable and adds more fun for sure though. The mixing of 93 and e85 gas gets annoying, but it just depends on you if it's worth it.

I also have the 93 octane tune from Tuning by James, and just my 2cents I much prefer this tune. It's much smoother than the Unleashed tunes, smoother than stock even. The unleashed tunes I found to be a bit more aggressive/jerky than what I want for just daily driving a family car, and sometimes it just wasn't in the gear I wanted. The Unleashed shifting was too harsh for me, but it did make the paddle shifters usable if you're into that (I'm not).

That being said, I think the Unleashed with Torrie would be the way to go if you are drag racing and what to fine tune your performance. Torrie is wonderful, he gave me versions of the 93 and e30 with less aggressive/stock shifting behavior. They were equally smooth as stock, but did not feel as quick as the "regular" versions. I did not datalog and send anything back which I'm sure could have helped, I was just too lazy and I was curious to try another.

For daily driving Tuning by James is the way to go (to me). I dont know the numbers, but just on feel it seems to pull every bit as hard as unleashed in a more refined/smooth package better suited for daily driving. Transmission is just always where I want it.

Just stopwatch loosely timed 0-60 times seem to be high 4's for both 93 octane tunes. The unleashed e30 tune was probably more mid 4's, like I said these are just loose estimates. Stock I'd say was low 5's for comparison but really lost a step once you got above 40-50mph compared to any of the tunes.

I'll probably get an e30 tune from Tuning by James as well, but the 93 tune is excellent as is.

I've heart good things about Livernois, but have not tried them. So if you're new and wondering which tune to get, just one man's experience to help you choose.

All in all for someone with kids (need 4 doors) and on a budget that doesnt want to go luxury prices, this car is a steal. I thought about going Kia stinger gt, but for $15,000 less this car is a blast and the better value, especially tuned.
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Zamp E30 fuel has higher octane which can be tuned for more power if that was your question
You also need to do a few WOT and part-WOT runs with each flashing of the tune to get the transmission to shift properly. The older 6F55s didn't seem to need to do this. So when working on the newer 6F55s, it was frustrating to not see any change in the trans tuning after each flash, and repeating the insanity until someone mentioned this to me.
Can you explain this a little more? I have 2019 MKZ with 93 tune and the trans sucks, if it is possible it can shift better I need to know lol. What is the process you followed and what effects did it have?
I just wanted to share my experience in difference of the tunes I got for my 2017 fusion sport. My car is bone stock, no changes other than the tune.

For anyone like me who knows nothing about cars, is not computer savvy, and just drives the car around town (not drag racing)- I still highly recommend tuning this car. The difference is night and day on a 93 tune, it is so much more fun to drive.

I got a 93 tune and an e30 tune from Unleashed with the sct X4 tuner. If I can do it anyone can. The e30 defintely pulls harder, especially above 50mph, but it's not the jump that stock to 93 is. It is noticeable and adds more fun for sure though. The mixing of 93 and e85 gas gets annoying, but it just depends on you if it's worth it.

I also have the 93 octane tune from Tuning by James, and just my 2cents I much prefer this tune. It's much smoother than the Unleashed tunes, smoother than stock even. The unleashed tunes I found to be a bit more aggressive/jerky than what I want for just daily driving a family car, and sometimes it just wasn't in the gear I wanted. The Unleashed shifting was too harsh for me, but it did make the paddle shifters usable if you're into that (I'm not).

That being said, I think the Unleashed with Torrie would be the way to go if you are drag racing and what to fine tune your performance. Torrie is wonderful, he gave me versions of the 93 and e30 with less aggressive/stock shifting behavior. They were equally smooth as stock, but did not feel as quick as the "regular" versions. I did not datalog and send anything back which I'm sure could have helped, I was just too lazy and I was curious to try another.

For daily driving Tuning by James is the way to go (to me). I dont know the numbers, but just on feel it seems to pull every bit as hard as unleashed in a more refined/smooth package better suited for daily driving. Transmission is just always where I want it.

Just stopwatch loosely timed 0-60 times seem to be high 4's for both 93 octane tunes. The unleashed e30 tune was probably more mid 4's, like I said these are just loose estimates. Stock I'd say was low 5's for comparison but really lost a step once you got above 40-50mph compared to any of the tunes.

I'll probably get an e30 tune from Tuning by James as well, but the 93 tune is excellent as is.

I've heart good things about Livernois, but have not tried them. So if you're new and wondering which tune to get, just one man's experience to help you choose.

All in all for someone with kids (need 4 doors) and on a budget that doesnt want to go luxury prices, this car is a steal. I thought about going Kia stinger gt, but for $15,000 less this car is a blast and the better value, especially tuned.
Will tuning by James tunes a car with emissions equipment removed?
Will tuning by James tunes a car with emissions equipment removed?
Unlikely they would do anything with that knowledge in hand. If you just removed cats, the tune would
probably not be that much different either way. If you removed "something else", you'd have to be careful
it is not hurting some other aspect of drivability/longevity/warrantee, etc... in addition to however you feel
it is "helping".

All that said, I suspect a local tuner with a dyno would be much more willing to "work" with you, than any remote tuner.
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Unless the tuner is making active changes to the speed density tables, there's not a whole lot to do properly as the speed density tables and torque tables reflect the physical parameters of the engine/powertrain - not what you want it to do or not do. With E30-E50 you're basically looking at more potential spark advance up to the MBT limits. The MBT was also developed with the existing hardware in mind, not what you're trying to tweak it to do or not do. The exceptions are when you change the volumetric efficiency (bigger heads, bigger valves, different pistons, different turbos) which requires adjusting speed density tables, torque tables, MBT, etc...
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Will tuning by James tunes a car with emissions equipment removed?
Yes he has tuned mine but I think recently he has grandfathered me in due to epa. Just ask him. If he say he can't anymore just tell him you have catted pipes lbs
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