I am still a little confused about the whole if you want to log, go with Unleashed if you don't LMS is where it's at thing. Yes if want to log Unleashed is the only game in town right now. But, If you don't want to log they're both great choices. Unleashed requires zero data logging, period. None. Look, I think they are both great choices, choose which ever one you want and you should be happy. Sure people on both sides can argue whose better. And sure one will be faster than the other in the end, but that also isn't all there is to a good tune either. But the fact of the matter is no tuner is going to put out the best tune the first time. Every good tuner requires feedback from their customers whether they want to admit it or not(ahem LMS). Or at least should listen to their feedback. Whether it's just verbal feedback or Intel based on data logs, or both. And LMS does listen to their customers too I'm sure. Dave's close relationship is proof.