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The SS I assume is heavier, and not necessarily faster. That said I expect it handles better, Gm's magnet ride suspension is superior, standard brembos as well. All the car mag folks such as Randy Pobst(former race car driver) love it's handling. I would test drive them both in a manner that allows you to make an informed personal decision. If you didn't test the Sport to answer any of your questions than test drive it again. I will say this for our beloved Sport. I've driven aggressively on some hilly twisty's and was impressed for what it is. Also I do honestly believe that the transmission does adapt some and the car will behave better over time than when you test drive, and a lot better with a tune. The erratic behavior of the transmission gets less over time as it adapts, and will disappear with a tune. If the same price it's hard to argue against the SS, except for its looks, gas mileage, infotainment tech, and no AWD, all of which may not matter to you. Again your best bet is to keep test driving them until you can decide on your own. Heck, might even just come down to which car is more comfortable for you to sit in.
 

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The SS I assume is heavier, and not necessarily faster.
I think the FS is slightly heavier than the SS by ~150lbs, but negligible for daily driving.

From my test drive, I was able to get on the SS more than I was able to get on the FS, so I haven't had a fair chance to really compare performance yet. That said, with published numbers, I'm sure they're pretty close off the line, but I think at passing speeds etc. the SS is substantially quicker since it traps ~10mph faster through the 1/4.

I like the LEDs on the FS. What our your guys' thoughts on night driving with the car?
 

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I think the FS is slightly heavier than the SS by ~150lbs, but negligible for daily driving.

From my test drive, I was able to get on the SS more than I was able to get on the FS, so I haven't had a fair chance to really compare performance yet. That said, with published numbers, I'm sure they're pretty close off the line, but I think at passing speeds etc. the SS is substantially quicker since it traps ~10mph faster through the 1/4.

I like the LEDs on the FS. What our your guys' thoughts on night driving with the car?
Like the Pontiac G8, the SS is heavy weighing in at 2 tons, 4000lbs. As far as the LEDs, I don't notice a difference for my Sport compare to my mustang.
 

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I think the FS is slightly heavier than the SS by ~150lbs, but negligible for daily driving.

From my test drive, I was able to get on the SS more than I was able to get on the FS, so I haven't had a fair chance to really compare performance yet. That said, with published numbers, I'm sure they're pretty close off the line, but I think at passing speeds etc. the SS is substantially quicker since it traps ~10mph faster through the 1/4.

I like the LEDs on the FS. What our your guys' thoughts on night driving with the car?
Interestingly, I'm not sure passing favors the SS at all. Even without a tune, the AT will drop 2-3 gears to pass, and it'll jump out quickly with no drama. With the SS you've got to shift down, match revs, accelerate, maybe shift again. I don't think it works out faster, although in a race from a pull at any speed it'd bury the FS eventually.
 

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Interestingly, I'm not sure passing favors the SS at all. Even without a tune, the AT will drop 2-3 gears to pass, and it'll jump out quickly with no drama. With the SS you've got to shift down, match revs, accelerate, maybe shift again. I don't think it works out faster, although in a race from a pull at any speed it'd bury the FS eventually.
I did not see him specify it was a manual. The SS comes with the 6-speed automatic standard.
 

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Look at the IIHS website where they gave it a "poor" ratings and explanation why. I fully agree with them, I think HID's and even halogens have 15-20% better performance for night driving.
I would have to agree.

My take on the LED lights are that they are incredibly bright, and will reflect off of signs and such extremely well, even at a difference. But they do not give the feel of lighting up the empty space very well. I am not sure exactly how to explain that part, but what I mean is with HIDs and even halogens, it actually looked like it was lighting up the immediate area. The LEDs seem to have to have something to reflect off of to see whats being lit. The light needs to be stopped by some object with the LEDs where other lights just seem to light up the sky and make the surrounding area seem a little brighter. I don't think that means these lights don't work well. I just feel like they don't seem to work as well.
 

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The LEDs seem to have to have something to reflect off of to see whats being lit. The light needs to be stopped by some object with the LEDs where other lights just seem to light up the sky and make the surrounding area seem a little brighter. I don't think that means these lights don't work well. I just feel like they don't seem to work as well.
That is what I think as well. Looks like LED scatters more as it is not as focused as i.e. HID's (even halogens nowadays) which have some sort of a lens in front of the bulb. Not sure why Ford didn't go with HID on Sport at least :)
 

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I agree with Wildcat birdie.

They do extremely well at lighting up reflective things like signs. I really appreciate that when driving at night. I also feel as though they perform better in rain than the halogen lights in any of my previous cars or the cheaper HID's in a BMW I owned. Last, but not least, they also provide great spill and light up the sides of the road quite well - it comes in handy when making turns.

However, outside of those areas, they don't *SEEM* to perform as well as more traditional lighting - I don't perceive the road surface to be as bright, which some people may find disconcerting.

I feel that tradeoff is worth it in terms of the overall performance and uniformity LED lighting provides.
 

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Thanks for the input on the LEDs. I've never driven with them at night and had assumed they'd be a step up or comparable to HIDs.
 

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I'm seriously considering the Fusion Sport or a 2016 SS. I've driven the SS and plan to test a FS in the next week.
If you don't have to have a manual, then take a look at a slightly used Charger ScatPack or SRT 392 as well. I plan on driving the SRT, whenever I can actually find one at a dealer not too far away. I'm pretty sure I will love the raw brute power of a big American V8. I just hope it puts a big enough grin on my face so that I can overlook some of the interior quality shortcomings...
 

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I was thinking about the LED headlight performance on the last leg of my trip to work this morning. Like I said before, they do great at illuminating reflective surfaces - I was able to easily spot the green street signs in excess of half a mile away using high beams. I'm sure the range in that capacity is even greater, but there aren't too many places where I have an unobstructed view for further than that without other cars during my commute.
 

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If you don't have to have a manual, then take a look at a slightly used Charger ScatPack or SRT 392 as well. I plan on driving the SRT, whenever I can actually find one at a dealer not too far away. I'm pretty sure I will love the raw brute power of a big American V8. I just hope it puts a big enough grin on my face so that I can overlook some of the interior quality shortcomings...
I haven't driven one, but my concern with the Charger are the complaints about handling. I really like a car to feel pinned down. I will say the SS feels really solid and no complaints with the FS that I test drove even though I wasn't able to push it.
 

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I preface this with I'm likely buying a FS...

Over the weekend, my friend's brother who works at a Ford dealership had a SS recently taken in on trade. I talked to him about taking it for a test drive and also looking at a FS at the same time. So, I've never had this much autonomy with a dealer, but we took both cars out and compared them with some pulls. The FS was a dealer demo with ~4000 miles on it. The SS was a 2016 with ~7000 miles on it.

Clearly, the SS was faster. Off the line the FS would get out by a car length, but by 50-60mph the SS was walking away from it. From a roll at any speed, it wasn't close.

With that said, the SS I think is too stiff for daily driving for me. The FS is very fast, not faster than the SS, but fast enough and more comfortable as a DD. Now, I have to decide order or buy from dealer stock.
 

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The headlight performance, or lack thereof really surprises me. I would have thought the LED's would have been superior to either HID's or Halogens. I have HID's in 2 of my cars, and although they are bright, the surface area in which they illuminate is quite different in each vehicle. My Mustang does great on the sides of the road, but to me, they don't illuminate far enough down the road. My Acadia Denali is great everywhere, sides and especially down the road. One thing I've noticed though, and I'm curious if anyone else here has experienced this, I always feel that a car with either HID's or LED's in front of me appears to have brighter and better coverage than my own. Does that make sense to anyone?
 

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The headlight performance, or lack thereof really surprises me. I would have thought the LED's would have been superior to either HID's or Halogens. I have HID's in 2 of my cars, and although they are bright, the surface area in which they illuminate is quite different in each vehicle. My Mustang does great on the sides of the road, but to me, they don't illuminate far enough down the road. My Acadia Denali is great everywhere, sides and especially down the road. One thing I've noticed though, and I'm curious if anyone else here has experienced this, I always feel that a car with either HID's or LED's in front of me appears to have brighter and better coverage than my own. Does that make sense to anyone?
Yes and at a certain distance, you swear they have their brights on. I ran 55W hids in my G8 and I could see a stop sign from what seemed a mile away.
 

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Yes and at a certain distance, you swear they have their brights on. I ran 55W hids in my G8 and I could see a stop sign from what seemed a mile away.
You know what Vert, I think it has a lot to do with scatter. The light directly in front of your own vehicle probably appears more scattered than the light you see about 50-100 feet ahead of you from the car in front of you. Regardless, it still drives me crazy!
 
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