Oh, Ill be the first one to warn people about tuning and warranties since I also do tune.
Ford switched to LED puddle lights on 2019 models, it's cheaper to produce one part than two versions. The 2019's absolutely are decontented. The rear "diffuser" is just a valance where they don't have to use any paint.Let's not forget that the 2019's also get LED puddle lights from the factory and a rear defuser. Calling the 2019 "DE contented" is just not true and that term needs to stop being used.
This is not true. Cyanlabs is a 3rd-party tool, many who know what they're actually doing, myself included (I don't mean to sound arrogant there!), STRONGLY recommend against downloading random 3rd party tools to do this, such as the Cyanlabs tool.It is done as a software upgrade using the third party supplied programming files and instructions.
This has to do with people upgrading their vehicles modules and not knowing what they're doing. There is nothing that "no longer functions correctly" when upgrading completely and correctly.And there are almost always some lost, or no longer functioning correctly [...]
Hi DaMiFo. Everything I stated, if read correctly, is true. We have had similar conversations before, and once again, you misread what I was stating...First, I also STRONGLY recommend against downloading and using these third party software tools, like CyanLabs. How you read otherwise, I have no idea.Not to get off-topic here, but I just wanted to clear some things up from this:
This is not true. Cyanlabs is a 3rd-party tool, many who know what they're actually doing, myself included (I don't mean to sound arrogant there!), STRONGLY recommend against downloading random 3rd party tools to do this, such as the Cyanlabs tool.
The proper way to upgrade from SYNC v3.0 to v3.3+ is to simply put the official (leaked, but official and digitally signed by FoMoCo) on a USB, let it run like any SYNC update, and then plug in another USB with official SYNC files. And ALL files should be sourced straight from Ford (as BBF said, I also strongly recommend not getting your files from unofficial foreign servers). That's all!
This has to do with people upgrading their vehicles modules and not knowing what they're doing. There is nothing that "no longer functions correctly" when upgrading completely and correctly.
Hi Engineer. I also agree with most all you are saying. That is why I always point out and make perfectly clear that I am not telling anyone what to do with their car, and not telling anyone not to perform this SYNC upgrade/modification (or any modification). Unless they care about their warranty coverage. I present the facts and move on (when allowed to...lol). Then everyone is free to do as we please.These conversations will be less of an issue in another year or two, I imagine, because we're getting to a point where a lot of these cars are now outside of the full primary warranty, and the ones that aren't will be soon. There is still the extended warranty (for those who purchased that), but they'd have to be under an extended warranty that actually covered more than just powertrain for most of these conversations to be relevant, once that primary warranty is over. I say this realizing that we're not there yet for all of these cars, but for many, we are.
I think the points about the warranty are well taken, but I also think the points @DaMiFo made about the best way to perform the upgrade (for those who choose to do so) are important. The reason is simply that there are a number of folks who, after considering all the ramifications, decide that an upgrade to a higher Sync version is the best option for them, personally, and decide to move forward with it. If they do, they should be provided the best possible information about how to do so. That's an important purpose of this forum. This forum is not just a place for people to find official information from Ford (although references to those kinds of information are certainly welcome, and very valuable!). It is also, more so than most car forums, a true enthusiast forum. People who really love our performance sedans come here. We want technical information, along with stories, racing info, meetup information, all kinds of things. But that technical info about how to do things that aren't officially supported is a key part of an enthusiast forum like this.
Nobody who cares about the warranty for anything at all connected to Sync (which is quite a few systems) should do the upgrade, but if you make the decision to move forward, I think it's important that we have that information available. Sharing info about unsupported mods is a huge part of the experience here.
And I explain the risks, so skip the self righteous indignation and arrogant, passive aggressive insults. You "corrected" nothing. You misrepresented what I had previously stated (I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was accidental) then obfuscated and went off on a tangent about a subject I had not even mentioned, as though you were "correcting" something.I will not put aside facts to please those who don't understand what "mumbo jumbo" I am talking about. I provided corrected information on a topic I am knowledge in for others who need it, and they can do so at their own risk. Simple as that.
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@bbf2530 I wanted to take a moment and say that I certainly didn't mean to give anyone the impression I was being dismissive of your comments. I never have intentionally done that, nor would I. I always think your input into any forum is very valuable, even if I've seen it before. I realize the value there. I've always appreciated your posts everywhere I've seen them, on this forum as well as others. You know that, but I think it bears repeating, so I'm telling you again.And it is "mumbo jumbo" when you try to inject terms like "digitally signed", to make it seem that makes it okay/"safe" to perform these non-factory upgrades with no warranty ramifications. That is what will confuse others into believing it is okay to perform an upgrade with no warranty ramifications. All the rest is certainly "mumbo jumbo" when it comes to warranty ramifications.
Hi Engineer. I do realize you did not mean to be dismissive. I only thought in the context of the discussion, it felt just "a little" like that and mentioned it with the disclaimer that I did not believe you meant to be. The old "The written word can be misleading because it is hard to read emotion" thing. But I understand what you are saying now, and thank you for saying it.@bbf2530 I wanted to take a moment and say that I certainly didn't mean to give anyone the impression I was being dismissive of your comments. I never have intentionally done that, nor would I. I always think your input into any forum is very valuable, even if I've seen it before. I realize the value there. I've always appreciated your posts everywhere I've seen them, on this forum as well as others. You know that, but I think it bears repeating, so I'm telling you again.
That said, when @DaMiFo mentions the "digitally signed" aspect of the firmware files, he's not speaking "mumbo jumbo". "Digitally signed" is a technical term with very important meaning to those of us familiar with those technologies. It implies a very, very high mathematical certainty of the data loaded being exactly what was provided by the source, without (if done properly) any realistic chance of that data having been altered. In more layman's terms, it means that at the end of the flash, the code running on the car is exactly the same code as it would be if Ford had provided a valid, supported upgrade path to that same version.
Please understand I'm not saying Ford will support this, or that the warranty won't be impacted (it will). I'm merely stating that DaMiFo is making a very valid and important point here, which is that there is a path to get exactly the same code running that would be running if Ford provided the update, and to do so in a secure way. That is hugely important, to those who care about such things, but aren't concerned about the warranty (either because they're past the warranty period, or because they just are willing to assume that risk).
I think it's very important not to gloss over that, or diminish the value of that kind of information.